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Is there any way to control the master fader from a scene?

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:07 am
by markov
Using DasLight 5, I have created some “modifier” scenes (with high priority) that I use to layer on top of other scenes during a live show to make things more interesting. One of them whites-out all fixture on beat (it’s BPM-synched) using a step FX with two steps. Step 1 is short and is set to maximize the brightness of all fixture dimmers and set their color to white, which acts like a single whiteout strobe event. Step 2 is effectively empty; it modifies nothing (leaving all fixtures in whatever state they are set to by other active scenes), and is just used to wait until the next beat, at which point the FX loops back to step 1 (whiteout). This all works fine. What I would *like* to do is set step 2 to dim all other fixtures to help make the whiteout effect in step 1 more pronounced. However, since I can layer this scene on top of many other scenes, there is no way to set the dimmers in step 2 to an value that is appropriate for all fixtures, since the whiteout scene has no awareness of which fixtures happen to be active.

For example, if I have some moving heads and some wash lights and I happen to be using a scene that only turns-on the moving heads, if my whiteout-on-beat scene sets the generic dimmers of all fixtures to 50% in step 2, then the wash lights will turn on in step 2. My goal is for the whiteout-on-beat scene to dim *only the active fixtures* in step 2, leaving the other fixtures unchanged.

If there was a way to set the master dimmer in the live mixer to 50% in step 2, it would solve my issue. However those controls seem to only be able to be changed live, and cannot be stored as part of steps in a scene. Is there any workaround for this, or perhaps a better approach? Thanks.

Re: Is there any way to control the master fader from a scene?

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:41 am
by willm
Hello,

Interesting idea here! I would suggest the following solution for your case:

1) Create a Steps scene, as you have already, which only targets the Colour on Step 1 (no dimmer). Step 2 is empty as you have already described.
2) Create a Curve FX scene and use the Square waveform.
3) Assign the Dimmer of all fixtures to the Curve FX.
4) Set the Curve FX to Relative.
5) Ensure that the duration of the Curve FX is equal to that of the Steps scene, so that the peak of the square wave aligns with step 1, then the troth aligns with step 2.
6) Import both scenes into a Super Scene.

This should (hopefully) now create the desired effect for you! See the video demonstration below.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cNSn0c ... sp=sharing

Kind regards,
Will

Re: Is there any way to control the master fader from a scene?

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 10:12 pm
by markov
Thanks Will. I will try that and report back.

Re: Is there any way to control the master fader from a scene?

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:02 am
by lionpurnell
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Re: Is there any way to control the master fader from a scene?

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:28 am
by markov
I tried your proposed solution Will and it worked. Thank you.

In summary, I
  1. created a “whiteout” scene (steps-based) which changes the color of all targeted fixtures to white,
  2. created a “dimming” scene that uses a “custom” curve FX scene that is configured as “relative” and modulates the relative brightness (generic dimmer) of targeted fixtures / beams between 0% (mid scale) and -50% (zero scale), and
  3. created a BPM-driven SuperScene that includes both of the above scenes overlaid on top of one another to create the desired effect of dimming any of the targeted beams that are already on to 50% of their present brightness and then making their color white & setting their brightness to full on each beat.
One point to make: since the curve FX that is modulating the brightness (in the dimming scene) is configured to be relative, it only has the ability to dim the targeted fixtures by at most 50%. Yes, that was all I initially asked for, but in cases where dimming beyond that is required, stacking multiple instances of the dimming scene in the Superscene allows modulating the brightness further.

Re: Is there any way to control the master fader from a scene?

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2025 3:48 am
by bekean
markov wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:28 am I tried your proposed solution Will and it worked. Thank you.

In summary, I
  1. created a “whiteout” scene (steps-based) which changes the color of all targeted fixtures to white,
  2. created a “dimming” scene that uses a “custom” curve FX scene that is configured as “relative” and modulates subway surfers the relative brightness (generic dimmer) of targeted fixtures / beams between 0% (mid scale) and -50% (zero scale), and
  3. created a BPM-driven SuperScene that includes both of the above scenes overlaid on top of one another to create the desired effect of dimming any of the targeted beams that are already on to 50% of their present brightness and then making their color white & setting their brightness to full on each beat.
One point to make: since the curve FX that is modulating the brightness (in the dimming scene) is configured to be relative, it only has the ability to dim the targeted fixtures by at most 50%. Yes, that was all I initially asked for, but in cases where dimming beyond that is required, stacking multiple instances of the dimming scene in the Superscene allows modulating the brightness further.
I got it!